Tuesday, October 27, 2009

Open Comment Thread to Discuss New Rules Proposals

If you're not a league member, I have no idea why you're reading this. For now, though, we're reprinting Scot's and Angelo's emails from earlier today regarding proposed rule changes. Let's have discussion in the comments section.

Scot:
As for me, I've proposed that we remove the weighting from the lottery (for the 2011 draft) and that we change how the eligibility for prospects are enforced.

For the lottery, I want to remove some of the temptation to tank once your team is out of the running. If the owners who place 4 - 12 all have the same shot at the first round pick, then finishing in last isn't as tempting. Of course, you still guarantee your team the 1st or 2nd round pick, but it's a step in the right direction. Angelo's option is also good as it goes further and distributes the first 9 picks all by lottery so you have no idea what pick you'll end up with. Angelo, is the lottery in your proposal weighted still?

For the prospects, I'm trying to remove the manual tracking that goes on during the season to watch whether a prospect exceeds the games (or IP) limits. Under my proposal, you would check those limits twice: after the draft when you add newly drafted players to your prospect slots and when keepers are announced and you declare which players you are keeping in prospect slots. During the season, if a player exceeds the limits, nothing happens. You can keep him reserved the whole season with no consequence. Once keepers are announced, he won't qualify anymore so you will have to spend a real slot to keep him at that time. I realize this takes away some of the "simulation" aspect of the prospects as a regular major leaguer can sit in a prospect slot all season (like Andrus probably would have done this past season if the game limit had not been enforced), but I think it's a worthwhile loss to get rid of the manual tracking involved.
Angelo:
A brief explanation on my rule changes/proposals:
  • In my proposal for the lottery, it's not weighted. So basically, you have no idea if you'll have pick 1-9 until February. My idea has less to do with an anti-tanking provision than to give some relief to teams that routinely finish in 4th - 7th, which as was discussed during the year is no-man's land.
  • My suggestion for the prospect list allows teams to accumulate prospects during the year, which I think would help rebuilding teams. However, you still can only keep two prospects; I don't think the prospect list should become an entire AA roster for a team.
  • I've suggested changing the pitching slots every year, and won't rehash that argument.
  • My suggestion for expanding the bench and/or DL is also to help crappy teams take more flyers on guys at the end of the year and to balance the fact that since steroid use is down, injuries are up. I am a Met fan, remember.
  • Last, my proposal for Net Steals is to punish guys who steal a lot of bases with minimal efficiency. (And I'm looking at....you, Chone Figgins.) I was also going to throw the idea of changing "saves" to Net Saves to punish the Brian Fuentes of the world, but that seemed a bridge too far.

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Chad said...

Two procedural things to start:

We should probably vote on the software switch first, since the fee change vote might depend on the outcome of the proposed switch.

Andy, what exactly is the Yahoo! fancy-pants fee?

El Angelo said...

My only note on my proposed switch to CBS is that it allows you to set things like how many games someone is eligible for until they're no longer on the prospect list, has pretty much everyone on earth in the system so there's no waiver scramble when Yahoo decides to add a player, and has much friendlier draft software. I really don't care if we move or not, my reason for the suggestion is that CBS is to make everyone's life slightly easier.

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Tucker, I hear on on not wanting to lose the league legacy, but would you be OK with us just porting the old Yahoo! data over to the blog? Because if CBS can do all that stuff, it sounds like a good idea.

Ang, is CBS free?

El Angelo said...

It's not free. I think it's $150, i.e., $13 a head.

Tucker said...

That seems fine with me, Chadwick/Teddy, provided we keep the same structure for scoring. The again, that seems to be part of the dialogue here, so I'll way in.

I’m again changing the scoring structure. I like how this league is traditional and straight forward in that respect. I’ve been in a seasonal league where people keep tinkering with the scoring, and it has two results: nobody can understand and keep the scoring straight, and everyone gets pissed off about it.

I like the idea of opening the lottery to all teams for the first round. I’m sick and tired of people tanking in this league. This season was by far the most fun for me because there were a lot of teams in the mix and I had to manage my ass off to stay in contention.

That leads to keepers: I don’t like the idea of having a separate roster and draft for prospects/minor leaguers. I think it opens up a whole can of worms both logistically as well as with respect to the time commitment. If people who promote such a change (Andy) would instead devote the extra time necessary to managing the roster as it’s currently constructed, I think improvement may happen. You never know though.

I would be in favor of expanding the roster by a slot or two before expanding the DL, but like both concepts in general. I don’t feel terrible strong about this, but perhaps expanding the roster size would allow consistently tanking teams to stockpile Double-AA rosters in an more efficient way (and further guarantee finishing at the bottom every year) – has building a team that way ever worked? Angelo almost hit money this year, but doesn’t getting Pujols have more to do with that?

Corey said...

Here's my take on each of the proposals:

1. I like Jake's compromise of $125. I'm happy if we go to $200, but not at the cost of it leading to resignations. Unless Tucker resigns... I'm sick of him winning.

2. I'm partial to Yahoo, but I don't really hae a pony in this race.

3. I like Jake's proposal. No way should Matusz still be prospect eligible.

4. I am definitely in favor of Scot's proposal. The only people who are likely to gain from having prospects are the bottom feeding teams, and they gain nothing if they are forced to call someone up and then decide mid-July if they are likely to be a keeper. This way such teams gain at least a full season plus winter elague/spring training to decide on such players.

5. I like Angelo's proposal. Again, it makes it easier for prospects to be traded away and more useful in general.

6. I'm torn about this. I had suggested at some point that 4-6 place should get some sort of reward, such as maybe extra keeper slots. I guess I'm indifferent here.

7. This is to formalize in the rules what I suppose has been standard practice ever since the Pujols Affair. I see no reason not to support this.

8-10. I realize that the more we stray from the standard categories, the more difficult it is to use published resources, but it's bothered me for a while that two of the five pitching categories, wins and saves, are so random. That Scott Feldman had more wins than Zack Greinke really makes one wonder what this category actually means. Saves is not much different, except that there are so few pitchers that even get saves. In general I wanted to start a discussion regarding what we want with these categories. We switched to OBP, so why not make the analogous switch to ERA+?

11. I dislike Angelo's proposal. Tony LaRussa experimented with eliminating pitcher assignments, and look how that worked. All this would do would create an impetus to hit the minimum innings limit as closely as possible while using relievers. That's not how the real game is played, and I see no reason to encourage a strategy that in no way reflects baseball as it is actually played.

12. The bench si fine as it is. I am all for unlimited bench spots were it not for the fact that it would be easily abused by folks who pick up every single DL free agent out there, especialyl towards the end of the season when they might be kept (like I did with Marcum and someone did with Santana, I believe). I have no objection to expanding to 4 DL spots, and I'd also have no objection to running a 'flex' DL where if a team gets hosed (aka Angelo), then they can maintain some DL players offline if they need to and the commish/league approces. But I doubt anyone wants to manage it, so that'll never happen. I'm cool with option c.

13. I have no objections to this change, assuming, of course, it can be managed in whichever program we vote for with option 1.

jakeandtara said...

Hi all,

This is Jake. Taking the chance that my comments may drive people away from my positions:

1) Given the time most of us put in on the league, $75 seems a little light -- as a comparison, my father-in-law's league is $500. A jump to $200 might be too much, but $125 seems reasonable.

2) I have minimal experience with the other software, and much like Tucker, I do like the ability to keep our league history available. (Although if Tucker really quits over this -- thereby allowing someone else to finish in the money -- that might be reason enough to switch.)

5) Let's keep the current system. Many of these proposals are unwieldly from an oversight standpoint, and quite honestly, with two young kids I don't have time to monitor the minor league for a six-prospect draft.

6) The current lottery system works just fine. It is a good balance between helping crappy teams and preventing an incentive to dash to the bottom.

8-10 and 14) Corey and Angelo, I understand what you're trying to do, but the current categories are ones that people can actually follow. Again, short of becoming a SABR member, I don't think most of us will be able to keep up with the proposed changes. (As a note, this contrasts with the change from BA to OBP, which everyone knows and which is readily available.)

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